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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9608</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah I should have stated that better--commercial producers are much more likely to break rules.  But, they have lawyers and giant PR firms to help them through it (as obviously seen with e-coli events!), and I worry that the tiny fanned flame of home producers might get snuffed out by a bad but unusual incident.  And we&#039;ve all seen those recipes on-line that say &quot;my mom taught me to water-bath tomatoes for five minutes&quot;.  I&#039;d be happier if the law at least pointed to some standards that had to be followed.

Ironically, its that same argument that our milk lobby used to kill the raw milk bill here.  They thought that an illness caused by a tiny producer would reflect badly on aisles of pasteurized milk in the grocery store.  Yeah right, when they have the political clout to squash an entire legislative bill, that was passed, by the way, but the governor vetoed at the very last minute.  SIGH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah I should have stated that better&#8211;commercial producers are much more likely to break rules.  But, they have lawyers and giant PR firms to help them through it (as obviously seen with e-coli events!), and I worry that the tiny fanned flame of home producers might get snuffed out by a bad but unusual incident.  And we&#8217;ve all seen those recipes on-line that say &#8220;my mom taught me to water-bath tomatoes for five minutes&#8221;.  I&#8217;d be happier if the law at least pointed to some standards that had to be followed.</p>
<p>Ironically, its that same argument that our milk lobby used to kill the raw milk bill here.  They thought that an illness caused by a tiny producer would reflect badly on aisles of pasteurized milk in the grocery store.  Yeah right, when they have the political clout to squash an entire legislative bill, that was passed, by the way, but the governor vetoed at the very last minute.  SIGH.</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sharon, indeed.  Luck finds other luck in the local-food world too:  there are a lot more consumers out there than producers, but somehow folks like me are loath to don the hat of &quot;producer&quot; because they think it&#039;s a scale jump.  It&#039;s not a scale jump if you&#039;re only growing enough for you and a few friends...it&#039;s just a few more rows or a few more chickens.  And happy consuming friends!

Hedge, indeed, it&#039;s a great beach especially at this time of year when it&#039;s eminently swimmable.  Surprisingly my blog hit numbers haven&#039;t jumped; they&#039;ve remained fairly stable...despite my post-once-a-week summer.  It&#039;s a grand mystery, really it is.

David, Wales was fun...in my mind!  There is definitely something to that, in the law-enforcement idea.  It&#039;s just that it seems kind of silly to require people to have commercial kitchens if they expect to make less than $15K a year...and that&#039;s what it boiled down to.  That, and our chronically high unemployment rate, I am sure.

Diane, hi!  And thank you.  Well surely many things predate taxation.  In many instances, bartering is really quite fair, especially when one is especially light in the pocketbook.  I wouldn&#039;t say it&#039;s the way to go to, say, pay the light bill by eggs, but one can do worse than trading a few goods with like-minded others.

Everett, I have to latch on &quot;from people we trust&quot; in your comment because that I believe is the heart of food production in our future.  Looking someone in the eye goes much further than the black-box ingredients list on a package as far as I am concerned...plus knowing you&#039;re supporting something you can believe in, that&#039;s my future food utopia.  A lot of work ahead of us though...but yes, Michigan has done a great thing.

Amy, perhaps things are changing.  Michigan is a huge farming state but it&#039;s very diversified (California is the only state that grows more different products) and its legislature is really Republican.  I am thinking if things can change here they can change anywhere.  Maybe you can suss out if there&#039;s anything like this afoot in Washington.  Give your representative a nudge to do so.  It was my own right-wing Republican congressman who co-wrote the thing so...

Clinder, hello!  Well most of &quot;women&#039;s work&quot; is unpaid and not exactly supported by anyone or anything, and so too goes farm labor.  I don&#039;t know what to say with that.  Indeed one of my own dearest relative&#039;s rants every time she comes here is &quot;but it is SO MUCH WORK!&quot; and I just stare at her dumbfounded every time she says that.  Like, so?  Don&#039;t you see that I am happy and healthy?  What would you rather I do, sit on the couch all evening after working a 60-hour a week desk job?

Thanks, Wendy.  I am a fan of Grist and I read that when it came out.  Mine is a very informal network.  I doubt anyone would be able to raid our place because I keep no records of whom I sell my stuff to.  But indeed it&#039;s so stupid.

Maybe someday, indeed, Paula.  I do know of subsidies and all that; I have in fact helped a few friends go down that path.  It holds no interest for me, mainly because I already have what I need, infrastructure-wise.  But indeed, the &quot;maybe someday&quot; is sooner than we think.  Just got to wean people off highly processed food, which is a tall order.  But if more people could eat cheeses like ours...

CC, enlightened!  Wow.  Well yeah, it does sound like that.  And:  no thanks on the zucchini.

Hi Nada!  And you must be thinking about rhubarb very soon, eh?  Indeed, it is possible to grow more than you need.  Finding willing homes for the food is sometimes the tougher challenge, which frankly is why I think it&#039;s hard for &quot;real&quot; small farmers.  Me, not so much, a fact for which I am very grateful.

MC, definitely, this law is aimed at those looking to actually make earnings, but indeed it helps out supremely small-timers like me.  And that&#039;s the rub.  It&#039;s why the honey- and maple-syrup bills come next.  SMALL stuff, but you might as well try to break even.

David, yes, that&#039;s exactly what this law is aimed at.  And I find it funny frankly that most states put up barriers to doing such a thing:  regulation for regulation&#039;s sake...I would think the specter of &quot;wrongful death lawsuit&quot; also puts fear in the hearts of the few who do produce on a small scale.  It&#039;s all a gamble.  As a sole-proprietorship, I would need to put my house up as collateral in my architecture practice (or most business practices frankly) and sometimes that&#039;s a huge risk.  So yeah, it&#039;s why I ONLY give my food to people I know, too.

Stef, I have seen the bucketloads of produce you grow out back so indeed  I can see a CSA as part of your grander life scheme!  But then when the kids are all bigger they too can help a lot more, right?

Jackie, don&#039;t let me stop you from selling those eggs by making you think my chickens are malingering feed-consumers.  I just think it takes time to make them pay off.  And I am a softie and have lots of egg-every-third-day girls on the payroll :) mainly because I can&#039;t see the farmayrd without them.

Brett it sure does (bakery lobby in WI) and you can ask C about that.  Sad, true.  But anyway I would hardly say I am a free-and-clear legal person.  I do try!  And it&#039;s fun to share and bake good food.

Liz, clean nails can be overrated.  I think with a little more sweat and less bad food we&#039;d be a lot healthier too.  But goodness that would indeed mean a lot of work for us, wouldn&#039;t it, or a life with lots less stuff?

WF there is a WORLD of difference between New Jersey and Michigan, and cost per acre is a biiiiggg part of it, I think.  You pay the taxes and get the good schools.  Me not so much.  Sigh.  But keep at it!!!  You and the Mrs are lots happier this way ;)

Sara I can&#039;t help but laugh at the idea of an &quot;unscrupulous canner&quot; mainly because I am right down the road from Kellogg and &quot;scrupulous&quot; would be one of the near-last words used to describe THEIR practices.  But I understand what you are saying.  Somewhere in there is the tipping point where the work you put in somehow begins to pay off.  My point was in acquiring a milk goat. I in no way wish to have 8 milk goats but one is quite a benefit.

Backyardfeast, hello! &quot;Ongoing muddle&quot; is a very apt description to use when cataloging my own efforts here~  and that is frankly okay.  I would say my chickens do add a bit of payoff with the compost heap but they are nothing compared to what the goat has contributed in just half a year.  So yeah, it&#039;s an interesting puzzle.  

Esperanza, yeah, it does help (this law).  But really I do question enforcement-for-enforcement&#039;s sake, don&#039;t you?  I say go small and keep it under the radar (not, obviously, advice I am following by dint of this blog but still).

Peter, but a Gug would only support me for a year or so... therefore I would be stuck swallowing my tail and rolling down the hill of grant pursuance.  Ick.  I&#039;ve got enough work to do!

Pamela, darn them! But yes, isn&#039;t it fun finding people to barter with?  The woman with the horse-riding daughters is an absolute gem, and I wouldn&#039;t have found her if I didn&#039;t avail myself of Craigslist.  Hurrah, internets!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon, indeed.  Luck finds other luck in the local-food world too:  there are a lot more consumers out there than producers, but somehow folks like me are loath to don the hat of &#8220;producer&#8221; because they think it&#8217;s a scale jump.  It&#8217;s not a scale jump if you&#8217;re only growing enough for you and a few friends&#8230;it&#8217;s just a few more rows or a few more chickens.  And happy consuming friends!</p>
<p>Hedge, indeed, it&#8217;s a great beach especially at this time of year when it&#8217;s eminently swimmable.  Surprisingly my blog hit numbers haven&#8217;t jumped; they&#8217;ve remained fairly stable&#8230;despite my post-once-a-week summer.  It&#8217;s a grand mystery, really it is.</p>
<p>David, Wales was fun&#8230;in my mind!  There is definitely something to that, in the law-enforcement idea.  It&#8217;s just that it seems kind of silly to require people to have commercial kitchens if they expect to make less than $15K a year&#8230;and that&#8217;s what it boiled down to.  That, and our chronically high unemployment rate, I am sure.</p>
<p>Diane, hi!  And thank you.  Well surely many things predate taxation.  In many instances, bartering is really quite fair, especially when one is especially light in the pocketbook.  I wouldn&#8217;t say it&#8217;s the way to go to, say, pay the light bill by eggs, but one can do worse than trading a few goods with like-minded others.</p>
<p>Everett, I have to latch on &#8220;from people we trust&#8221; in your comment because that I believe is the heart of food production in our future.  Looking someone in the eye goes much further than the black-box ingredients list on a package as far as I am concerned&#8230;plus knowing you&#8217;re supporting something you can believe in, that&#8217;s my future food utopia.  A lot of work ahead of us though&#8230;but yes, Michigan has done a great thing.</p>
<p>Amy, perhaps things are changing.  Michigan is a huge farming state but it&#8217;s very diversified (California is the only state that grows more different products) and its legislature is really Republican.  I am thinking if things can change here they can change anywhere.  Maybe you can suss out if there&#8217;s anything like this afoot in Washington.  Give your representative a nudge to do so.  It was my own right-wing Republican congressman who co-wrote the thing so&#8230;</p>
<p>Clinder, hello!  Well most of &#8220;women&#8217;s work&#8221; is unpaid and not exactly supported by anyone or anything, and so too goes farm labor.  I don&#8217;t know what to say with that.  Indeed one of my own dearest relative&#8217;s rants every time she comes here is &#8220;but it is SO MUCH WORK!&#8221; and I just stare at her dumbfounded every time she says that.  Like, so?  Don&#8217;t you see that I am happy and healthy?  What would you rather I do, sit on the couch all evening after working a 60-hour a week desk job?</p>
<p>Thanks, Wendy.  I am a fan of Grist and I read that when it came out.  Mine is a very informal network.  I doubt anyone would be able to raid our place because I keep no records of whom I sell my stuff to.  But indeed it&#8217;s so stupid.</p>
<p>Maybe someday, indeed, Paula.  I do know of subsidies and all that; I have in fact helped a few friends go down that path.  It holds no interest for me, mainly because I already have what I need, infrastructure-wise.  But indeed, the &#8220;maybe someday&#8221; is sooner than we think.  Just got to wean people off highly processed food, which is a tall order.  But if more people could eat cheeses like ours&#8230;</p>
<p>CC, enlightened!  Wow.  Well yeah, it does sound like that.  And:  no thanks on the zucchini.</p>
<p>Hi Nada!  And you must be thinking about rhubarb very soon, eh?  Indeed, it is possible to grow more than you need.  Finding willing homes for the food is sometimes the tougher challenge, which frankly is why I think it&#8217;s hard for &#8220;real&#8221; small farmers.  Me, not so much, a fact for which I am very grateful.</p>
<p>MC, definitely, this law is aimed at those looking to actually make earnings, but indeed it helps out supremely small-timers like me.  And that&#8217;s the rub.  It&#8217;s why the honey- and maple-syrup bills come next.  SMALL stuff, but you might as well try to break even.</p>
<p>David, yes, that&#8217;s exactly what this law is aimed at.  And I find it funny frankly that most states put up barriers to doing such a thing:  regulation for regulation&#8217;s sake&#8230;I would think the specter of &#8220;wrongful death lawsuit&#8221; also puts fear in the hearts of the few who do produce on a small scale.  It&#8217;s all a gamble.  As a sole-proprietorship, I would need to put my house up as collateral in my architecture practice (or most business practices frankly) and sometimes that&#8217;s a huge risk.  So yeah, it&#8217;s why I ONLY give my food to people I know, too.</p>
<p>Stef, I have seen the bucketloads of produce you grow out back so indeed  I can see a CSA as part of your grander life scheme!  But then when the kids are all bigger they too can help a lot more, right?</p>
<p>Jackie, don&#8217;t let me stop you from selling those eggs by making you think my chickens are malingering feed-consumers.  I just think it takes time to make them pay off.  And I am a softie and have lots of egg-every-third-day girls on the payroll <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  mainly because I can&#8217;t see the farmayrd without them.</p>
<p>Brett it sure does (bakery lobby in WI) and you can ask C about that.  Sad, true.  But anyway I would hardly say I am a free-and-clear legal person.  I do try!  And it&#8217;s fun to share and bake good food.</p>
<p>Liz, clean nails can be overrated.  I think with a little more sweat and less bad food we&#8217;d be a lot healthier too.  But goodness that would indeed mean a lot of work for us, wouldn&#8217;t it, or a life with lots less stuff?</p>
<p>WF there is a WORLD of difference between New Jersey and Michigan, and cost per acre is a biiiiggg part of it, I think.  You pay the taxes and get the good schools.  Me not so much.  Sigh.  But keep at it!!!  You and the Mrs are lots happier this way <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sara I can&#8217;t help but laugh at the idea of an &#8220;unscrupulous canner&#8221; mainly because I am right down the road from Kellogg and &#8220;scrupulous&#8221; would be one of the near-last words used to describe THEIR practices.  But I understand what you are saying.  Somewhere in there is the tipping point where the work you put in somehow begins to pay off.  My point was in acquiring a milk goat. I in no way wish to have 8 milk goats but one is quite a benefit.</p>
<p>Backyardfeast, hello! &#8220;Ongoing muddle&#8221; is a very apt description to use when cataloging my own efforts here~  and that is frankly okay.  I would say my chickens do add a bit of payoff with the compost heap but they are nothing compared to what the goat has contributed in just half a year.  So yeah, it&#8217;s an interesting puzzle.  </p>
<p>Esperanza, yeah, it does help (this law).  But really I do question enforcement-for-enforcement&#8217;s sake, don&#8217;t you?  I say go small and keep it under the radar (not, obviously, advice I am following by dint of this blog but still).</p>
<p>Peter, but a Gug would only support me for a year or so&#8230; therefore I would be stuck swallowing my tail and rolling down the hill of grant pursuance.  Ick.  I&#8217;ve got enough work to do!</p>
<p>Pamela, darn them! But yes, isn&#8217;t it fun finding people to barter with?  The woman with the horse-riding daughters is an absolute gem, and I wouldn&#8217;t have found her if I didn&#8217;t avail myself of Craigslist.  Hurrah, internets!</p>
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		<title>By: pamela</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love the bartering; it somehow makes me feel like my work is actually treasured.  Unfortunately, the electric company won&#039;t play that game. Darn them.
Hurray for your little one taking riding lessons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the bartering; it somehow makes me feel like my work is actually treasured.  Unfortunately, the electric company won&#8217;t play that game. Darn them.<br />
Hurray for your little one taking riding lessons.</p>
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		<title>By: Pluck and Feather &#187; Cottage Industry Farm Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pluck and Feather &#187; Cottage Industry Farm Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 15:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] about the ridiculous farm raids on backyard farmers, I noticed a post by fellow blogger El on Fast Grow The Weeds. Apparently, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm is about to sign two cottage industry farm bills [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the ridiculous farm raids on backyard farmers, I noticed a post by fellow blogger El on Fast Grow The Weeds. Apparently, Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm is about to sign two cottage industry farm bills [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this post is a cry for help. You should write up a proposal for &quot;an ongoing exploration of pre-industrial rural commercial practices as an interrogation of contemporary capitalist/legislative structures and their relationship to environmental degradation seen from a post-feminist perspective, seeking to question established notions of domesticity, femininity, and sustenance within the context of an evolving neo-agrarian rubric with an eye toward redefining the contemporary legal and cultural paradigm&quot; and get a Guggenheim.

That&#039;ll fix your wagon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this post is a cry for help. You should write up a proposal for &#8220;an ongoing exploration of pre-industrial rural commercial practices as an interrogation of contemporary capitalist/legislative structures and their relationship to environmental degradation seen from a post-feminist perspective, seeking to question established notions of domesticity, femininity, and sustenance within the context of an evolving neo-agrarian rubric with an eye toward redefining the contemporary legal and cultural paradigm&#8221; and get a Guggenheim.</p>
<p>That&#8217;ll fix your wagon.</p>
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		<title>By: esperanza</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 00:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you see that Grist article on small farm raids?! 
http://pluckandfeather.com/farm-raids-really.html

Law enforcement busting people for selling their home grown agricultural goods. Unbelievable. This cottage industry farm bill would address that. Go Michigan!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see that Grist article on small farm raids?!<br />
<a href="http://pluckandfeather.com/farm-raids-really.html" rel="nofollow">http://pluckandfeather.com/farm-raids-really.html</a></p>
<p>Law enforcement busting people for selling their home grown agricultural goods. Unbelievable. This cottage industry farm bill would address that. Go Michigan!</p>
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		<title>By: A Quick Link &#124; Backyard Feast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]   Still away, but thought I&#8217;d post this link to a fascinating entry and discussion over at Fast Grow the Weeds.  Michigan has just passed a cottage industry bill, and so blogger and readers are discussing the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]   Still away, but thought I&#8217;d post this link to a fascinating entry and discussion over at Fast Grow the Weeds.  Michigan has just passed a cottage industry bill, and so blogger and readers are discussing the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: backyardfeast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so interested to hear what&#039;s going on in Michigan; thanks so much for the insight into your operations!  I&#039;ll be looking into whether BC (Canada) has anything similar to the cottage industry law.  I&#039;m in the middle of blogging about how money and income fits into the whole attempt/desire to live off the land--what the trade offs are around how much land you need, and what being self-sufficient really means.  

I&#039;ll link to your post in my ongoing muddle, and would love to hear more.  I&#039;m interested to hear that your egg chickens don&#039;t pay for themselves--are you including the cost/benefit of manure for your garden in that equation too?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so interested to hear what&#8217;s going on in Michigan; thanks so much for the insight into your operations!  I&#8217;ll be looking into whether BC (Canada) has anything similar to the cottage industry law.  I&#8217;m in the middle of blogging about how money and income fits into the whole attempt/desire to live off the land&#8211;what the trade offs are around how much land you need, and what being self-sufficient really means.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll link to your post in my ongoing muddle, and would love to hear more.  I&#8217;m interested to hear that your egg chickens don&#8217;t pay for themselves&#8211;are you including the cost/benefit of manure for your garden in that equation too?</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting and thoughtful discussion.  In WI we did just get a &quot;pickle bill&quot; too and as they didn&#039;t decide on the rules they left it without any for the time being (labeling to that fact required).  I&#039;m torn--I like the freedom it gives but am wary of the aftershocks if an unscrupulous canner sells unsafe items somewhere.  

Anyway, I&#039;ve found that the only way to get rid of eggs consistently is to charge for them, people aren&#039;t as invested for some reason if they are free (or are afraid to ask). And I find the time it takes coordinating the sales is more work than the $ is worth.  It&#039;s all interesting, as to provide enough for yourself often ends up with just enough extra that puts you in-between commercial sales and donation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting and thoughtful discussion.  In WI we did just get a &#8220;pickle bill&#8221; too and as they didn&#8217;t decide on the rules they left it without any for the time being (labeling to that fact required).  I&#8217;m torn&#8211;I like the freedom it gives but am wary of the aftershocks if an unscrupulous canner sells unsafe items somewhere.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve found that the only way to get rid of eggs consistently is to charge for them, people aren&#8217;t as invested for some reason if they are free (or are afraid to ask). And I find the time it takes coordinating the sales is more work than the $ is worth.  It&#8217;s all interesting, as to provide enough for yourself often ends up with just enough extra that puts you in-between commercial sales and donation.</p>
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		<title>By: weekendfarmer</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9588</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I AGREE with you! I am not about to join the TEA party, BUT why should the govt get benefit from our barters? We are paying enough in taxes as is. I see the usage of the land with the chicken and the sheep as a means to try to get something back from the land as we are mercilessly taxed on that already! 

There should be provisions for cottage industries and homesteads. It is frustating to see how difficult it is to live off of the land. If (lets say by some miracle) we can survive off of the land...there is the tax man. 

Btw, you so can and should charge $5/ doz for those eggs : ). 

Hope all is well. 

wf.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AGREE with you! I am not about to join the TEA party, BUT why should the govt get benefit from our barters? We are paying enough in taxes as is. I see the usage of the land with the chicken and the sheep as a means to try to get something back from the land as we are mercilessly taxed on that already! </p>
<p>There should be provisions for cottage industries and homesteads. It is frustating to see how difficult it is to live off of the land. If (lets say by some miracle) we can survive off of the land&#8230;there is the tax man. </p>
<p>Btw, you so can and should charge $5/ doz for those eggs : ). </p>
<p>Hope all is well. </p>
<p>wf.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9584</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 22:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we all bartered for everything we needed life would be far more simple, although we&#039;d never have clean nails!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we all bartered for everything we needed life would be far more simple, although we&#8217;d never have clean nails!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Laidlaw</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9583</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Minnesota permits limited sales of homemade products, but only at farmers&#039; markets or the vaguely designated &quot;community events.&quot;  That&#039;s how my wife and I have been able to run our home-based farmers&#039; market bread business for the last seven years.  Here that law is referred to as &quot;the pickle bill,&quot; even though it started with baked goods and was only later extended to canned goods.  We started our &quot;Real Bread&quot; company just after the licensing exemption went into effect, and we had the damnedest time just convincing the Saint Paul health dept. that we were really allowed to do this.

Since we began, we&#039;ve seen lots of other home bakers, picklers, canners showing up at local markets.  It has changed the Twin Cities farmers&#039; market seen in noticeable ways.  The earnings limit is very low here ($5000 gross per year), but then, no enforcement provisions were part of the bill....

I think Wisconsin just okayed a similar bill for canned goods, but they still don&#039;t allow baked goods from unlicensed kitchens to be sold.  I guess the bakery lobby has some oompph in Cheesehead Country.

Anyway, El, I&#039;m glad that the powers that be in Michigan have finally made a legal woman of you!

Brett]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnesota permits limited sales of homemade products, but only at farmers&#8217; markets or the vaguely designated &#8220;community events.&#8221;  That&#8217;s how my wife and I have been able to run our home-based farmers&#8217; market bread business for the last seven years.  Here that law is referred to as &#8220;the pickle bill,&#8221; even though it started with baked goods and was only later extended to canned goods.  We started our &#8220;Real Bread&#8221; company just after the licensing exemption went into effect, and we had the damnedest time just convincing the Saint Paul health dept. that we were really allowed to do this.</p>
<p>Since we began, we&#8217;ve seen lots of other home bakers, picklers, canners showing up at local markets.  It has changed the Twin Cities farmers&#8217; market seen in noticeable ways.  The earnings limit is very low here ($5000 gross per year), but then, no enforcement provisions were part of the bill&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think Wisconsin just okayed a similar bill for canned goods, but they still don&#8217;t allow baked goods from unlicensed kitchens to be sold.  I guess the bakery lobby has some oompph in Cheesehead Country.</p>
<p>Anyway, El, I&#8217;m glad that the powers that be in Michigan have finally made a legal woman of you!</p>
<p>Brett</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9582</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very interesting topic to me.  Currently, I only produce a little bit of extra produce and give it away to friends.  But now I&#039;ve just gotten a small flock of pullets and I&#039;m considering what to do with the extra eggs once they start laying.  I enjoy giving stuff away, but at some point, it would be nice to get something in return for my work and effort.

When/if we buy our dream piece of land in the country, I might be heading down your road...hopefully.

Thanks for sharing on this!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting topic to me.  Currently, I only produce a little bit of extra produce and give it away to friends.  But now I&#8217;ve just gotten a small flock of pullets and I&#8217;m considering what to do with the extra eggs once they start laying.  I enjoy giving stuff away, but at some point, it would be nice to get something in return for my work and effort.</p>
<p>When/if we buy our dream piece of land in the country, I might be heading down your road&#8230;hopefully.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing on this!</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9580</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me disabuse you of the notion that our darling egg birds pay for themselves, Stefaneener.  &quot;Hardly, unless we began to eat them too&quot; is the answer.  Or else I start charging $5/dozen.  (Pauses, considers this idea, rejects it.)  I believe the new home-grown chicks might just pay for themselves; they&#039;re awfully pretty for being mutts...and their care piggybacks all the other birds&#039; care.  But good luck on getting rid of that neighbor!  And give your bees another year or two: that&#039;s a lot of equipment to pay off first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me disabuse you of the notion that our darling egg birds pay for themselves, Stefaneener.  &#8220;Hardly, unless we began to eat them too&#8221; is the answer.  Or else I start charging $5/dozen.  (Pauses, considers this idea, rejects it.)  I believe the new home-grown chicks might just pay for themselves; they&#8217;re awfully pretty for being mutts&#8230;and their care piggybacks all the other birds&#8217; care.  But good luck on getting rid of that neighbor!  And give your bees another year or two: that&#8217;s a lot of equipment to pay off first.</p>
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		<title>By: stefaneener</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2010/07/19/on-the-informal-economy/#comment-9579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stefaneener]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting. The whole idea of taxing and keeping track of shared produce is an interesting one. Technically you&#039;re supposed to pay tax on everything. But when I barter honey for haircuts, I don&#039;t report it, nor do I report a neighbor caring for my animals when I&#039;m gone. I&#039;d love to expand and run a CSA -- maybe I will when the kids get much older.

And when the crabby neighbor dies or moves, I&#039;m going to try meat birds. You are doing really well with your stuff if everyone&#039;s paying for themselves. Only the bees are close to breaking even for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. The whole idea of taxing and keeping track of shared produce is an interesting one. Technically you&#8217;re supposed to pay tax on everything. But when I barter honey for haircuts, I don&#8217;t report it, nor do I report a neighbor caring for my animals when I&#8217;m gone. I&#8217;d love to expand and run a CSA &#8212; maybe I will when the kids get much older.</p>
<p>And when the crabby neighbor dies or moves, I&#8217;m going to try meat birds. You are doing really well with your stuff if everyone&#8217;s paying for themselves. Only the bees are close to breaking even for me.</p>
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