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		<title>By: mangocheeks</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2009/12/14/greenhouse-update-early-winter-edition/#comment-7868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mangocheeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its my dream to have a polytunnel like that one-day and then I too can have fresh salad throughout the year.

Happy new Year to you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its my dream to have a polytunnel like that one-day and then I too can have fresh salad throughout the year.</p>
<p>Happy new Year to you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: stefaneener</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2009/12/14/greenhouse-update-early-winter-edition/#comment-7610</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re really well set up. My Reemay is sitting right on top, but I don&#039;t expect any freezes. Besides, it was mostly for bird protection, and later for leaf miners, so it&#039;s a different situation.

I love your &quot;in twelve straight lines, they went to bed. . . &quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re really well set up. My Reemay is sitting right on top, but I don&#8217;t expect any freezes. Besides, it was mostly for bird protection, and later for leaf miners, so it&#8217;s a different situation.</p>
<p>I love your &#8220;in twelve straight lines, they went to bed. . . &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are welcome...I&#039;ve learned so much from you and this blog and been inspired to do things I never would have thought about doing so I owed you one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are welcome&#8230;I&#8217;ve learned so much from you and this blog and been inspired to do things I never would have thought about doing so I owed you one.</p>
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		<title>By: El</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2009/12/14/greenhouse-update-early-winter-edition/#comment-7606</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dennis, hah, yes, I could&#039;ve maxed out the space but it really wasn&#039;t my goal.  I like individually manageable beds: these are small enough to easily weed.  Plus, if there were only two long beds in there, I probably should have oriented it E-W instead of N-S and N-S was the space I had available.   Fair question, though.  I got My Bread by Jim Lahey for an early Xmas present and I love it:  he is of the No Knead bread thing and I really enjoy his method.  Anyway, I am making one of his pizzas this week, which you&#039;ll probably read about here soon...

CC, funny, but I just drew up a lap-pool house last week.  Tiny little building, smaller than the greenhouses...hmm!  But:  I&#039;m more a gin-and-tonic kind of girl when it comes to poolside sippies.  Not that I would turn down a margarita, mind.

Paula, it took about a year of direct observation before I really &quot;got it,&quot; as it&#039;s quite different than outdoor gardening.  Easier in some ways, a lot harder in others, mainly because it&#039;s literally up to you to manage things you leave to mother nature otherwise (water, heat).

Kelli, well! You don&#039;t do lettuce? What about spinach, or mache, or arugula?  There are other things outside the direct lettuce family that you should try, and you might just like.  So.  Indoor growth. You&#039;re right:  you need more light.  I know there&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aerogrow.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this one product on the market&lt;/a&gt; that&#039;s kind of space-age but is aimed at growing your own salad.  Any grow light would work though.  The cooler the better, frankly:  other than germination, salad stuff prefers it on the cold side.  And yeah, it&#039;s okay:  there&#039;s a seed list at the top.  I try not to crap up the blog with lots of links and sidebar nonsense but maybe I am hiding things a bit too well!

MC, thanks!  It&#039;s fun to just think about the greenhouses, too:  I spend a lot of my day doing just that.  And today is really cold (19* at 10a.m.) but super sunny so that means I get to go sit in them over lunch, when it&#039;ll be about 70 in there!

Hi Jennifer, glad to hear you&#039;re giving greenhouses a go too!  Well, weed control between the beds:  you&#039;re right, I put down cardboard then heaped wood chips on top of them.  The great thing about greenhouses are any weeds are usually of your own making:  like the beets growing between one set of beds in my greenhouse now.  In other words, other than the occasional dandelion, weeds are not a problem between the beds at all.  The beds themselves, well...the soil has a lot of compost and the compost has a few weed seeds.  That&#039;s gardening!

John Michael, thanks, excellent suggestion!  And cheap-ish too.  I&#039;ll put it on my shopping list.  And likewise I am glad to hear you&#039;ve made your own.  Green onions are great, and so fresh.  If I were to have one that size, I would likewise sneak some thyme and parsley in it too as for me those are quality-of-life herbs :)

Jennifer:  I think he means those things that are the next step up from paper clips.  You know, the ones that are usually black and have two spring-like prongs?  There are some that are book-sized so that&#039;d be the way to go with these pipes.

Kellie, thanks!  You snuck in there as I was typing this up.  That&#039;s wonderful  I found some at a scrap yard but they wanted me to take a 3&#039; wide spool home with me:  cheap too but goodness, that&#039;d be enough pickets for 1000 greenhouses!  Home Despot sounds so much more manageable :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, hah, yes, I could&#8217;ve maxed out the space but it really wasn&#8217;t my goal.  I like individually manageable beds: these are small enough to easily weed.  Plus, if there were only two long beds in there, I probably should have oriented it E-W instead of N-S and N-S was the space I had available.   Fair question, though.  I got My Bread by Jim Lahey for an early Xmas present and I love it:  he is of the No Knead bread thing and I really enjoy his method.  Anyway, I am making one of his pizzas this week, which you&#8217;ll probably read about here soon&#8230;</p>
<p>CC, funny, but I just drew up a lap-pool house last week.  Tiny little building, smaller than the greenhouses&#8230;hmm!  But:  I&#8217;m more a gin-and-tonic kind of girl when it comes to poolside sippies.  Not that I would turn down a margarita, mind.</p>
<p>Paula, it took about a year of direct observation before I really &#8220;got it,&#8221; as it&#8217;s quite different than outdoor gardening.  Easier in some ways, a lot harder in others, mainly because it&#8217;s literally up to you to manage things you leave to mother nature otherwise (water, heat).</p>
<p>Kelli, well! You don&#8217;t do lettuce? What about spinach, or mache, or arugula?  There are other things outside the direct lettuce family that you should try, and you might just like.  So.  Indoor growth. You&#8217;re right:  you need more light.  I know there&#8217;s <a href="http://www.aerogrow.com/" rel="nofollow">this one product on the market</a> that&#8217;s kind of space-age but is aimed at growing your own salad.  Any grow light would work though.  The cooler the better, frankly:  other than germination, salad stuff prefers it on the cold side.  And yeah, it&#8217;s okay:  there&#8217;s a seed list at the top.  I try not to crap up the blog with lots of links and sidebar nonsense but maybe I am hiding things a bit too well!</p>
<p>MC, thanks!  It&#8217;s fun to just think about the greenhouses, too:  I spend a lot of my day doing just that.  And today is really cold (19* at 10a.m.) but super sunny so that means I get to go sit in them over lunch, when it&#8217;ll be about 70 in there!</p>
<p>Hi Jennifer, glad to hear you&#8217;re giving greenhouses a go too!  Well, weed control between the beds:  you&#8217;re right, I put down cardboard then heaped wood chips on top of them.  The great thing about greenhouses are any weeds are usually of your own making:  like the beets growing between one set of beds in my greenhouse now.  In other words, other than the occasional dandelion, weeds are not a problem between the beds at all.  The beds themselves, well&#8230;the soil has a lot of compost and the compost has a few weed seeds.  That&#8217;s gardening!</p>
<p>John Michael, thanks, excellent suggestion!  And cheap-ish too.  I&#8217;ll put it on my shopping list.  And likewise I am glad to hear you&#8217;ve made your own.  Green onions are great, and so fresh.  If I were to have one that size, I would likewise sneak some thyme and parsley in it too as for me those are quality-of-life herbs <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Jennifer:  I think he means those things that are the next step up from paper clips.  You know, the ones that are usually black and have two spring-like prongs?  There are some that are book-sized so that&#8217;d be the way to go with these pipes.</p>
<p>Kellie, thanks!  You snuck in there as I was typing this up.  That&#8217;s wonderful  I found some at a scrap yard but they wanted me to take a 3&#8242; wide spool home with me:  cheap too but goodness, that&#8217;d be enough pickets for 1000 greenhouses!  Home Despot sounds so much more manageable <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kellie</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2009/12/14/greenhouse-update-early-winter-edition/#comment-7605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kellie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[El, have you checked out the chain link fencing section of Home Depot or Lowe&#039;s? 

They call it tension wire &amp; sell 170 feet of 9 gauge wire for around $17.00]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El, have you checked out the chain link fencing section of Home Depot or Lowe&#8217;s? </p>
<p>They call it tension wire &amp; sell 170 feet of 9 gauge wire for around $17.00</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John,
Binder clips?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Binder clips?</p>
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		<title>By: John Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your greenhouse looks wonderful and inspired me to do a very mini version of it, 4 feet hight by 5 feet long.  Just big enough for green onions, kale and a few lettuces.  

For the bed covers, I find large binder clips to be perfect for securing over pvc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your greenhouse looks wonderful and inspired me to do a very mini version of it, 4 feet hight by 5 feet long.  Just big enough for green onions, kale and a few lettuces.  </p>
<p>For the bed covers, I find large binder clips to be perfect for securing over pvc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://fastgrowtheweeds.com/2009/12/14/greenhouse-update-early-winter-edition/#comment-7599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi El,

Thanks for the pictures and the cloth idea.  My chard and chicory just wilted to death with our recent cold snap so I&#039;ll try that next year.

Curious - do you have ground felt or plastic down between beds?  I remember your older pics with cardboard...how do you handle weed control between rows?  

I put down the thick, black, woven plastic and did my own version of straw bale gardening on top of it, but plan to cut it in bed shape before staking in the wood bed frames in Feb..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi El,</p>
<p>Thanks for the pictures and the cloth idea.  My chard and chicory just wilted to death with our recent cold snap so I&#8217;ll try that next year.</p>
<p>Curious &#8211; do you have ground felt or plastic down between beds?  I remember your older pics with cardboard&#8230;how do you handle weed control between rows?  </p>
<p>I put down the thick, black, woven plastic and did my own version of straw bale gardening on top of it, but plan to cut it in bed shape before staking in the wood bed frames in Feb..</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, the temps don&#039;t seem moderate to me as a human, ha.  Going from 30s one day to 7 the next is quite a shock! 

I love the greenhouse updates, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, the temps don&#8217;t seem moderate to me as a human, ha.  Going from 30s one day to 7 the next is quite a shock! </p>
<p>I love the greenhouse updates, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mangochild</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mangochild]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That looks like a great setup.  Every time I read your blog I&#039;m taking mental as well as &quot;electronic&quot; notes, and hope to have *some* vague idea of what to do when the day comes and I can have the space/greenhouse opportunities you do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That looks like a great setup.  Every time I read your blog I&#8217;m taking mental as well as &#8220;electronic&#8221; notes, and hope to have *some* vague idea of what to do when the day comes and I can have the space/greenhouse opportunities you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops, just found your seed source list.  Awesome.  I had to add the comment so I wasn&#039;t that annoying person who didn&#039;t read the stuff you already had up first before asking a question, even though I kinda was :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, just found your seed source list.  Awesome.  I had to add the comment so I wasn&#8217;t that annoying person who didn&#8217;t read the stuff you already had up first before asking a question, even though I kinda was <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello!  Inspired by your blog, I would like to try growing lettuce indoors for my husband.  I can&#039;t eat it, but he likes it.  However, he avoids buying it since it&#039;s only him eating it.  

Long story short, I still have lots of questions about how to do this and wondering if you or any of your readers would be kindly willing to offer any advice.  What varieties would do well? Also, what are good sites for ordering the seeds?  Thirdly, the room I am thinking of is cool (50 degrees or so) and has a west-facing window.  I have read that may not be enough light - would I need grow lights?  

Any resources or advice would be well-appreciated.  The sites I have found, save for one, are about starting seedlings to transplant outdoors and my intent is to grow them indoors for their whole lives.  I love following your blog and all of your food adventures.  Thanks for writing it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello!  Inspired by your blog, I would like to try growing lettuce indoors for my husband.  I can&#8217;t eat it, but he likes it.  However, he avoids buying it since it&#8217;s only him eating it.  </p>
<p>Long story short, I still have lots of questions about how to do this and wondering if you or any of your readers would be kindly willing to offer any advice.  What varieties would do well? Also, what are good sites for ordering the seeds?  Thirdly, the room I am thinking of is cool (50 degrees or so) and has a west-facing window.  I have read that may not be enough light &#8211; would I need grow lights?  </p>
<p>Any resources or advice would be well-appreciated.  The sites I have found, save for one, are about starting seedlings to transplant outdoors and my intent is to grow them indoors for their whole lives.  I love following your blog and all of your food adventures.  Thanks for writing it!</p>
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		<title>By: Paula</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paula]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! your stuff looks great. I hope I can get as good when I get my garden together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! your stuff looks great. I hope I can get as good when I get my garden together.</p>
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		<title>By: cookiecrumb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cookiecrumb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You ever think about installing a lap lane in one of those greenhouses? I&#039;ll bring the margaritas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ever think about installing a lap lane in one of those greenhouses? I&#8217;ll bring the margaritas.</p>
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		<title>By: DennisP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DennisP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, El - I&#039;m wondering why you have a set of separate beds on the left and the right, separated by paths? Looks to me like quite a waste of space.  If you had two long rows, one of the left and one on the right, you could plant a lot more.

Not criticizing, just wonder what is your reasoning.  

[Another five inches of snow today. Be a good day to stay inside and bake bread. Think I will try the Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes book today.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, El &#8211; I&#8217;m wondering why you have a set of separate beds on the left and the right, separated by paths? Looks to me like quite a waste of space.  If you had two long rows, one of the left and one on the right, you could plant a lot more.</p>
<p>Not criticizing, just wonder what is your reasoning.  </p>
<p>[Another five inches of snow today. Be a good day to stay inside and bake bread. Think I will try the Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes book today.]</p>
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